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FZ BIBLE 11/30 UNIVERSES CASSETTES (5TH ACC)

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CONTENTS: Universes Cassettes (the 5th Advanced Clinical Course)

32 Cassettes containing 33 lectures plus Introduction and Appendix.
The first lecture is also the final lecture of the 4th ACC and is
numbered 4ACC-72. Posted in 30 files ("+" used where a second item
is in the same file.)

01. ..... Introduction
+ 4ACC-72 29 MAR 54 EVOLUTION AND USE OF SELF ANALYSIS
02. 5ACC-01 30 MAR 54 UNIVERSES
03. 5ACC-02 31 MAR 54 SIMPLE PROCESSES
04. 5ACC-03 1 APR 54 BASIC SIMPLE PROCEDURES
05. 5ACC-04 2 APR 54 PRESENCE OF AN AUDITOR 
06. 5ACC-05 5 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: SAFE PLACE FOR THINGS
+ ..... APPENDIX
07. 5ACC-06 6 APR 54 LECTURE: UNIVERSES
08. 5ACC-07 7 APR 54 UNIVERSE: BASIC DEFINITIONS
09. 5ACC-08 8 APR 54 UNIVERSE: PROCESSES, EXPERIENCE
10. 5ACC-09 9 APR 54 UNIVERSE: CONDITIONS OF THE MIND AND REMEDIES
11. 5ACC-10 12 APR 54 UNIVERSE: CHANGE AND REHABILITATION
12. 5ACC-11 13 APR 54 UNIVERSE: MANIFESTATION
13. 5ACC-12 14 APR 54 SOP 8-D
14. 5ACC-13 15 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: EXTERIORIZATION AND STABILIZATION
+ 5ACC-13B 15 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: CERTAINTY ASSESSMENT
15. 5ACC-14 16 APR 54 SOP 8-D: LECTURE
16. 5ACC-15 19 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: UNIVERSE ASSESSMENT
+ 5ACC-15B 19 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: AREA ASSESSMENT
17. 5ACC-16 20 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: REMEDYING HAVINGNESS
+ GP-Spec 21 APR 54 GROUP PROCESSING: REACH FOR PRESENT TIME
18. 5ACC-17 21 APR 54 ELEMENTS OF AUDITING
19. 5ACC-18 22 APR 54 SOP 8-DA
20. 5ACC-19 23 APR 54 SOP 8-DB
21. 5ACC-20 26 APR 54 GENERAL HANDLING OF A PC
22. 5ACC-21 27 APR 54 ANCHOR POINTS AND SPACE
23. 5ACC-22 28 APR 54 SPACE AND HAVINGNESS
24. 5ACC-23 29 APR 54 SPACE
25. 5ACC-24 30 APR 54 SOP 8-DA THROUGH SOP 80-DH
26. 5ACC-25 3 MAY 54 VIEWPOINT STRAIGHTWIRE
27. 5ACC-26 4 MAY 54 BE, DO, HAVE STRAIGHTWIRE
28. 5ACC-27 5 MAY 54 EFFICACY OF PROCESSES
29. 5ACC-28 6 MAY 54 ANATOMY OF UNIVERSES
30. 5ACC-29 7 MAY 54 ENERGY - EXTERIORIZATION


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UNIVERSES (5th ACC) file 11/30 (tape 11):

Transcript of Taped Lecture by L. Ron Hubbard 

5ACC-10 - 5404C12 

Number 11 of "Universes and the War between Theta and Mest" 
cassettes.


UNIVERSE: CHANGE AND REHABILITATION

A lecture given on 12 April 1954


Like to talk to you today about the various procedures
which we're using in order to change, rehabilitate Homo
sapiens. We have a number of processes which we're using
with good effect. Some of these processes have a tendency
to be a little bit slow. But, oddly enough, we have today
in Beingness and Universe Processing a process which is
slow, but is nevertheless the kind of a process that
produces a consistent, stable result. Cases go on up the
line with this process rather than sag back.

Now, the process which you're using straight out is, of
course, SOP 8-C, which includes Opening Procedure. In view
of the fact that a thetan at all times is capable of
thought and capable of creating energy and capable of
creating space, the processing of space itself, as such,
should not be something that an auditor stays with all the
time, on and on and on.

In view of the fact that the thetan is senior to energy,
processes which use energy are not processes which an
auditor wants to stay with, on and on and on. In other
words, a thetan is senior to space, energy and matter. He
operates above this level, actually, at all times.
Therefore, processes which only address space, address
energy and address matter are themselves capable only of
putting a thetan up just so far. And he gets just so far
and he's going to hang fire every time.

Actually, space is a bad cutback on knowingness. Space cuts
down your knowingness. Just... If only from the basis that
an individual is here and he looks over there, well, he has
to look at something to know what is over there. Well, just
by that all by itself, you see, there's a cutback of
knowingness.

Same way with energy. If you ever took an intelligence test
on a stove or a flagpole, you would find out that it was
pretty stupid. Well, a thetan who is being one of these
things or who is handling energy itself, of course, is
doing less than he can do.

So let's take a look at this and realize, then, that the
changing of ideas is the primary process. And that, by and
large, is SOP 8-C. That process is and will continue to
remain the key process on this. It's actually a category of
all the ways you can change a thetan's mind.

Now, you'd say, "Why don't you, just then... just take 8-C
and run it on out all the way along the line?" Well, given
a case in the medium state of convulsions - you know,
normal - you probably could do this. You could just take 8-C
and run it on out and the fellow would be very happy and
everything would come along fine. Well then, why do we
enter energy at all, and why do we address matter and so
forth? What do we do this for? Well, there's a certain
percentage of cases who are so thoroughly mired down in
space and in energy that we have to treat these things in
order to get him up to a point where he has some space.

Now, of course, he doesn't have any space unless he creates
it. Well, such cases are being the effect of space and the
effect of energy. And being such an effect, they are so
fixated on the space and energy which they have
immediately around them in terms of facsimiles, their own
universes, other things like this - they're so fixated that
to ask them to change their mind will meet, for the
auditor, pretty well a blank wall. They just can't change
their mind.

Actually, they believe themselves in the wrong universe you
might say. They're in somebody else's universe. Everything
else belongs to somebody else; it doesn't belong to them.
All kinds of manifestations take place here. So we have to
take cognizance of these space-energy factors in those
cases which can immediately change their minds and so blow
on through to Clear.

Therefore, 8-C will produce results on, actually, the
largest percentage of cases that you'll process. Most of
the cases you process will regain a great deal of ability
and so forth just on 8-C.

But every once in a while you will hit a demon, a dog, a
preclear who's strictly crow bait. I mean, this .... . this
guy will be mired down in the middle of space, and it won't
be his space, and he won't know where the heck he is, and
he can't locate himself and so forth.

Well, what do we do about this fellow? Is there a fast...
is there something fast we can do for him? Well, in
comparison to other processes, yes, it's very fast. But,
actually, in terms of hours, maybe twenty, thirty, forty,
fifty hours on a bad case, in terms of Beingness and
Universe Processing, might be indicated before we pulled
him all the way out of it. But we would lengthen the number
of hours this individual would be mired down - we'd lengthen
it - if we just fixedly said, "Well, all right, we're going
to run fifty hours of Universe Processing and devil take
the hindmost. When we get to the end of that why then we'll
do something else," and so forth. When, as a matter of
fact, you ran about five hours of it or something like that
and the fellow was perfectly ready at that time to change
his mind. You might very well have produced a considerable
result on the case.

Now, that's one of the errors an auditor makes. He thinks
the case level continues to persist at the case level he
started with. He very often will take somebody he'll call a
Resistive V, and he will process this person for ten or
fifteen hours, and he is still processing a Resistive V. He
sometimes doesn't even do a reassessment on the thing. He'd
find out, probably, that he had a IV by this time, after
about ten hours. And process him a little bit further; why,
he'd have even a better case. So somewhere along the line
an individual is going to cut in on a higher case level.

Now, we're talking now about tough cases. You take any
average case that with a little vague certainty can
exteriorize, vague, you can probably bring him around to a
higher level of beingness in very quick order with 8-C,
just as given in Issue 24-G of the Journal of Scientology
- just as given.

You would do many more things before you got him up to
Operating Thetan. One of the things that you would do
particularly is you would brush up his ability to
communicate without a body. But in between these states and
up above the level of what we call Theta Clear, you might
say, there are several things that we do have to do. They
are not contained in 8-C.

One of them is the Grand Tour. We have to shove somebody
around at least this part of this universe and get him into
a situation where he can take this universe or leave it
alone. We have to exteriorize him from and interiorize him
into many times many solid objects to get him over his
fears and terrors of being pushed into traps, and so forth.
It's impossible to trap a thetan; let's demonstrate to him
that he can't be trapped. Let's put him in and out of
things. Let's make him be inside of things and outside of
them and inside of them and outside of them and inside of
them and outside of them, a lot of that.

And there are various other things that we can do that are
on a drill basis. But, as I say, the most important of
these is the Grand Tour, and exteriorization-interiorization 
processes.

There's also the process of duplication. A thetan should be
able to duplicate anything. The more duplication you ask
him to do, actually, the better off he's going to be. And
so we have him duplicate solid objects we have him
duplicate nothingness. We ask him to take a look, find an
object, duplicate it many times. We ask him to find a
nothingness or create a nothingness and then duplicate it
many times. Relatively simple but one which an auditor
should remember to do. Actually, that is a step in 8-C so
you won't overlook duplication. But you certainly should do
that in processing somebody.

Well, when it all gets straightened out and you look at it
there in front of you, what do you find out as the number
of processes which should be undertaken. Well, each time I
give you this list I simply give you this list from memory
and experience. It's not too much of a rote list. If you
just went ahead and considered it just a rote list that you
just ground, ground, ground away on, why, you wouldn't make
much progress with preclears. You have to know how far to
go and how fast to go. That depends on you and your ability
to look at the preclear.

So we look this over and we find out about the first thing
you do for a preclear - just offhand, going over this
list - you'd run some Opening Procedure. That'd probably
save you maybe ten hours of processing on this preclear.
You'll find out immediately whether or not this individual
is going to follow orders or not.

Well, here's the breakdown on the percentage of cases which
aren't getting results on 8-C: they aren't following the
orders of 8-C. Why? They can't. They're just incapable of
doing that. They've got to take another step first. They've
got to be assured of the fact that they can guide a body
around before they can guide themselves around. They're so
fixated on guiding a body around and orienting a body all
the time that, ask them to suddenly sail into something
like, you know, sitting still and finding places where
they're not and where other people are not, and things like
this, they'll just sit there and they don't do it for you.

You're the auditor and you think you're issuing the command
properly. You probably are. They're nodding, "Yes, yes,
yes." What are they doing? If you were to put them on an
E-Meter, why, you would find the E-Meter would not be
behaving in accordance with your command flow. In other
words, you give them auditing orders one after the other,
you just keep giving them auditing orders, and the E-Meter
is flicking when you're not giving orders. And it's not
flicking when you are giving orders, and so on. Actually,
an E-Meter will move anytime he does anything in 8-C. It'll
move when he does it.

Well, let's take 8-C's Opening Procedure, then, and find
out that this right away will tell you whether or not the
individual is going to respond to auditing commands. And
it'll get him into a condition where he will respond to
auditing commands. Well, this alone is pretty good. He's
been so afraid of being an effect so long that he finds he
can be an effect without any great injury to him and he can
then relax as far as you are concerned as an auditor.

If you don't do that, why, he's liable to sit there many,
many hours of auditing, wondering whether or not you're
going to bite him or something or wondering whether or not
some of the things that he's doing are going to injure him.
Whereas he knows to some degree by experience that he can
walk across the room and touch a wall without something
suddenly blowing up or without the auditor doing something
desperate to him. In other words, we acclimate him. How
long does it take to do that? Well, maybe only ten minutes,
maybe only fifteen minutes. It all depends on how well the
guy works.

But let me give you another little point on Opening
Procedure. You realize that it's all very well for the
fellow to go around and touch objects. How about spaces?
How about having him pick out a space someplace in the
room, a point in space, and go over and touch it. Your case
that will go along and do a fair job of walking around
touching tables and things like that may utterly bog the
moment you say, "All right, find a space over there
somewhere in the doorway and go over and touch it."

Do you know that you're actually liable to get into a
tremendous argument with the preclear? You know? "Space... 
Well, the space is relative to all of the objects and I
locate that spot in space relative to ..." Oh,
yap-yap-yap-yap-yap. All you want him to do is get up to a
point where he can recognize that there are spots in
space. You don't care how he orients them, what he compares
them to or how he straightens himself out on this; the only
thing we're interested in is the fact that he can look at
space without his attention being whipped over onto matter.
There's what's wrong with him, you see.

Now, the cases that are really bad off - I mean, that you're
having a hard time with, have a hard time exteriorizing,
that are doing a lot of worrying, their thinking machines
are running like mad, their direction reversal machines are
in full operation. These cases are immediately visible to
you when you ask them to touch a spot in space. Because
they won't touch a spot in space; they'll give you an
argument. Their attention will go off the spot in space
over onto matter. Matter, you see, has a motto. Matter has
a motto, and that motto is "stick together." It's really
where you get all your brotherhood computations and so
forth. It's just an imitation of matter. Matter has this in
obsession, matter sticks together.

Well, a thetan will stick to matter, too. When he agrees
with matter 100 percent, of course, he's agreed with "stick
together." So he goes over and touches matter, he's liable
to stick to it. He puts a beam on it, he's liable to stick
to the beam. So he's pretty leery of this.

Well, you ask such an individual who's got one of these
computations about "stick together" or "stick on matter" or
something of the sort and you just ask him to find a spot
in space and touch it, his attention whips over onto the
matter. In other words, we have a problem here where he is
an effect of all the commands of objects. The command of
the object is "stick together." Objects really have no
other basic command. Of course, on a higher level, matter
can say "avoid me" or something of the sort but, basically,
matter is saying "stick together."

Well, you'll catch this case right off and immediately, and
you just sit down with Opening Procedure and remedy that,
until he can just, with the greatest aplomb, pick out a
spot out somewhere in the center of the room or in the
middle of the front yard or above it, and reach over and
touch it. And just... bang. He will go through the
darnedest convulsions before he'll be able to this sometimes.

Well, what you've done there is cured, to a large degree,
the compulsive attitude he has about matter. He thinks that
matter demands his attention so thoroughly that he can't
really get his attention off of matter.

All right. There's a little trick with Opening Procedure.
That includes space. Now you get him to make up his own
mind somewhat with Opening Procedure. You tell him, "Now
you pick out a spot in space or a place - you know, a
place - and when you're going to touch it," and so on, just
like it says in 24-G, no different. Do this for a little
while and you'll find out that the individual has altered
as far as commands are concerned. You can give him commands
and he will carry them out without going into convulsions
or hysteria. It's a good way to make the person stop
avoiding your auditing.

Sometimes I've carried on in a session, by the way, when an
individual was avoiding very, very badly, and I didn't use
Opening Procedure. I'd just carry right on, you know,
trying to bull my way through on it and it was lost time.
Every time was lost time. Individual is avoiding the
command, arguing, something - well, just throw him into
Opening Procedure.

Actually, there's nothing wrong with Opening Procedure. It
doesn't mean a guy is crazy or something of the sort. It
simply means that you're just trying to get an
auditing-preclear team going here. Best way I know to get
it going is Opening Procedure.

All right. What would you do with somebody after you've
given him a little Opening Procedure? Well, I'd just turn
him loose on 8-C, Step I, and ask him to be three feet back
of his head and so forth. Well, supposing all these things
are pretty nebulous and he doesn't do any of them and he's
pretty upset and so forth. Well, I would shift immediately
into Universe Processing - Beingness and Universe
Processing. These two processes are actually cousins. They
can be put together, they can be run as combined, and a
great many interesting things can be done with them. But,
actually, all you need to know about Universe Processing is
there are three classes of universes. See Issue 16-G
Journal of Scientology.

There are three classes of universes. There's your universe
and that class of universe known as the other fellow's
universe and the physical universe - universes of the type
of the physical universe. Now, these in essence are three
types of universe.

Now, there's a law back of all this, and that is to say
that a universe is subject to the postulates of the god of
that universe. Let's take the physical universe. Everybody
agrees that there's a God someplace and that the physical
universe obeys His law, so forth. It's an interesting
aberration in itself.

Now, it's a little more important, however, when we apply
it to Mama. Mama is the god of Mama's universe. Everybody
concedes this. Maybe she isn't in her own mind but
everybody concedes that she is.

So if your pre clear is being continuously evaluated for by
Mama... And evaluation, of course, can be accomplished
simply by changing somebody's position in space - fixing or
changing somebody's position in space. Well, Mama changes
and fixes the preclear's position in space all through his
infancy and has changed and fixed the body in space all
through the gestation period. Any preclear's had a little
bit of a hard time, it's sort of a lead-pipe cinch that
he's probably in Mama's universe. I mean, you can always
take a good guess at that one.

Well, this means, then, you're asking somebody who is in
Mama's universe to change his mind. Well, he is subject to
the postulates of the god of the universe he's stuck in. So
if he is stuck in Mama's universe, why, of course he's
subject to Mama's postulates. Mama would go around and say,
"Oh my, what a terrible headache I've got. And oh, how I
have to work. And nobody appreciates me," and so forth.
This fellow goes right around - and those are commands, you
know, they're not just ideas. They're solid commands to
him, because he is, you might say, a dweller in Mama's
umverse. And you'll see this show up very rapidly with a
preclear, and you start to process this because great gobs
of energy and space points and everything else will come
off of him if you hit the right universe the right moment
the first time. Bing!

What universe is he stuck in? Well, you could put him on an
E-Meter and start asking him, in various ways. One of the
ways you could ask him: "If a lot of people were giving you
orders - a lot of people that you have known back through
your life were giving you orders - which ones would be the
most effective on you?" Well, he won't be able to answer
this rationally but the E-Meter will. The E-Meter will jump
when you hit the key one. And it's usually one that he
doesn't particularly suspect, because he's fought it so
hard and then he's interiorized into it so thoroughly that
it seems like him. He just feels so natural in that
universe; it's quite remarkable.

Well, we have in Universe Processing a very simple patter.
The simplest patter on it is just to start asking the
preclear where something would be safe. That's just the
patter that goes along with it. That's all the patter there is.

Now we... Let's say we scout around on the E-Meter a
little bit - which it'd be very good sense to do. And by the
way, if you're operating without an E-Meter, it's kind of
foolish because the best E-Meter ever built was built a
long time ago. It's the only E-Meter a guy needs is that
HR-53. It's a very, very good meter. It's the only meter
I'd recommend to an auditor. Practically all the work that
we associate with E-Metering, so forth, was done with that
meter.

And I find out these newer meters are too complicated and... 
bah! Don't need them. But that earlier one will tell
you all you need to know. It's very easy to read.

All right. If you're operating without one of those, by the
way, you can just tack on to your auditing time ten,
fifteen hours. You'll make that many mistakes with the
preclear that you're carrying all the way through. You go
for broke on a preclear, why, you'll make enough blunders,
enough mistakes, you'll run enough things too long after
they don't need to be run anymore and you will miss enough
things to just add ten or fifteen hours onto your processing.

The idea is to process a lot of pre clears. Even though it
seems sometimes hard to procure preclears, you'll find out
that the more preclears you process the more preclears
there are to be processed. It doesn't work out when you
just process one preclear for a long time because everybody
gets tired of him talking about his engrams.

What you want is a fast process. Well, this is accomplished
to a large degree with an E-Meter. That is to say we take
an E-Meter and we just ask somebody questions which finally
tell him what universe... tell you what universe he's in.
You say, "Well now, let's see, if a bunch of people were
giving you orders whose orders would be the most effective
on you? Your fathers?" You know, and it falls off its pin.
You probably don't need to go any further.

But you know, there's one thing you want to watch with
that. There can be a universe too tough for the preclear
until you've peeled off an easy one. So let's take him out
of his last wife's universe, or let's take him out of his
dog's universe or something of the sort. Let's be aware of
this: that your case could be spinny enough, be shaky
enough on his mental pins that if you were to tackle at one
fell swoop the real universe he's stuck in all the way down
the line.

Let's say he's sold on religion - of course, he's stuck in
God's universe. If you were to start asking him where God
is safe, right off the bat, bing, bing, bing, the guy would
practically spin on you. Because that's the last resort.
You see this God's universe as a sort of a dramatization,
don't you? I mean, you could... the god of a universe - you
know, you're subject to a certain set of postulates in a
certain universe.

Now, if you don't think these universes are actual, you
want to take a look in through the left eye of a preclear
sometime when he's running them. They're quite actual. And
there are pieces of mass, there's energy, there's... so on.
One universe, you see, it gets in company with another
universe and the two of them receive a mutual impact. They
get pinned together. They're pinned together by spots in space.

Therefore, the keynote of this is Spotting Spots in Space.
And you start to run this on some preclear, there's only
one thing you want to be careful of, is that he's actually
spotting these spots in space, preferably MEST universe
space. He'll get along further by spotting the MEST
universe than just floundering around through these
various telescoping universes. You'll at least get him out
of the immediate difficulty he's in, which is to say he's
coincident with a body and most of the experiences he has
coexperienced with the body have happened in MEST universe
space. All right, so that's rather obvious that you should,
then, to a marked degree concentrate on MEST universe space.

You know, very often he will look around and the universe
he's fooling with is about one millimeter wide and very
solid, right in front of his left eye.

Well, all right. The command, then, that is given to the
preclear to run this is, "Where would Mama be safe?" or
"Where would Mama's viewpoints be safe?" or "Where could
Mama look from?" - you could say any one of these things and
you would get there - or just "Where's Mama safe?"

Now, that's the first thing that was used with Universe
Processing and has... continues to produce results is
"Give me some places where Mama would be safe." Well now,
if he simply says, "Te-ruc-too-sup-soum-trn-yn south of
Brooklyn and yop-thyop-yap." Kick him! He's not doing what
you want him to do. He's just talking.

The essence of the process is to spot spots in space. Now,
you see immediately what I told you at the beginning holds
true. This is only as good as a preclear can be
rehabilitated in space. That's not very good, but it'll get
him up to a point of where he can be reached by just
changing postulates. Why? You get him out of the compulsive
habitation of other universes where other postulates are
effective but his aren't.

Let's try to run 8-C on somebody who is thoroughly stuck in
Mama's universe. And the guy is a little bit bewildered.
Why is he bewildered? Well, he just hears all these
commands and so forth and he's working them out. Well, he's
actually handling Mother's commands. In a process... He
can't change his mind because that isn't what's wrong.
What's wrong is Mama's mind. And his effort to change
Mama's mind can be quite arduous and can be quite
disappointing. We get him out of Mama's universe and we
find out he can change his mind. How many universes could
he be in possibly? He could actually be in millions -
millions. When you consider the number of universes that 
he's been up against all down the track and in, on, out of 
and so on - oh, it's just very complex.

So you want to take a light look at it and get the guy
exteriorized. Let me put that down right there. This
preclear is being run on this process so you can
exteriorize him. You're getting him out of enough universes
so that he can part company with the body to a degree where
he can be processed without still running, 100 percent of
the time, the body's universe.

You know, any preclear that doesn't exteriorize is - amongst
all of the universes... He's probably in Mama's universe
which you'll probably have to do something about. He may be
in his wife's universe, she may be in her husband's
universe; something is wrong this way. But this person will
be counting only on his body's eyes to tell him if he sees,
his body's fingers to tell him if he feels and so forth.
Boy, is he in the body's universe! See if he doesn't
exteriorize he's very, very solidly in the body's universe.

Well, the body's universe is kind of an interesting
universe. Boy, it's all inflow. Outflow is prohibited. It
has demands of food two or three times a day, and it has to
work in order to receive, it depends upon receipt in order
to live, it can't create energy. I mean, it's an
interesting universe - very low scale.

The individual who is agreeing with the body's universe is
also pinned down at that level on the Tone Scale.

Well, now let's check up a little further on this and find
out if there's any other command than some places where
your mother would be safe." Well, yes, you can run a
shotgun sort of a thing, actually, with some effect. Ask
him simply where viewpoints would be safe. You see, space
is a viewpoint of dimension, and you could just ask him
where viewpoints would be safe. Make him spot places where
viewpoints would be safe. Make him go on doing this for a
long time. Well, all right, it'd work because that's quite
important.

But actually, this may be beyond your preclear's ability to
understand or comprehend. So let's, if he's having a hard
time with this, just ask him, "Well, where would Mama be
safe." And ask him where Mama would be safe until he's
pretty well sprung apart.

Now, how long can you run this? Well, you can run it until
it's finished or concluded, and probably should. But the
point is that the preclear keeps getting better. And you
could stop running it almost at any time and he would
probably stay at that level. Of course, if you're going to
go for broke and you want to make a Theta Clear out of this
person, and so forth, why, you better run these things all
the way out. Otherwise he'll be trying to exteriorize into
Mama's universe or some darn universe that you know nothing
about.

All right, what other commands are there? Well, let's take
the communication graph and let's find the graph of
communication is cause, distance, effect. Source-point is
cause-point across a distance to effect-point. Let's take
that communication graph. That is communication. The other
basic law of communication is that a perfect communication
duplicates at the effect-point what emanated from
cause-point. So that communication and duplication are
extremely intimate. Now an individual's unwillingness to
duplicate cause-points, for instance, is a basic trouble.

Now, let's go back and take a look at the preclear very
early when you first got him, and we find out that his main
trouble was that he was unable to take an auditing order.
What's this? He was unable to take an auditing order. So
you ran some Opening Procedure on him, and you got him
straightened out on this and he found out he could.

Well, is there any application of this in Universe
Processing? Believe me. "Where would order-points be safe?"
And any variation of that order.. . of that command is very
much an order. "Where are... Where would order-points be
safe?" Command-points? Anything that you can make it come
within his comprehension what you want him to do. "Where
are source-points for orders? Spot them. Where would they
be safe? Source-points for orders." You're liable to take
eighteen tons of accumulated engrams off of this preclear
in a very short space of time. The only thing that's wrong,
you see, with an engram is the fact that it's an order-point.

So we go back to what's basically wrong with our preclear.
Well, he can't take orders, so we ran Opening Procedure.
That's a very light entrance. Now we've given him a little
more processing, he's a little bit better off - well, we can
give him a tougher one. "Where would some order-points be
safe?" Of course, the first place he'll find is right in
front of his face, inevitably. If he's having a rough time
when you get him that far down you'll start enough energy
commotion around in front of his face to make him quite
alarmed sometimes. Order-points be safe. He'll just bird
dog; he'll just fixate on a point out there two or three
feet from his face. Naturally it's where everybody who ever
gave him any orders stood. "Where's it safe?" Well, he...
There they are.

All right, we start spotting some more of these points, and
he starts spotting them geographically. Of course, he'll
sag back into the past, he'll go into places where he has
been ordered around. And after he's run that for a little
while you'll find out that he'll kind of come to a halt.
He'll slow down.

Well, another... the other side of the thing obviously
needs to be run. You see, communication lines can go both
ways. He can be at C and other things can be at E, or other
things can be at C and he can be at E. You see?

So let's ask him where receipt-points would be safe. Of
course, the first place he'll find is right inside his own
skull. The only effect-point which a preclear that you're
having trouble with can find will be right in the middle of
his own head. This effect-point, this receipt-point for
commands - that's real safe. As far as that's concerned,
that will endure as an effect-point to the end of time.
There is no possible chance of this ever being anything but
an effect-point. He's being bombarded from a 360 degree
periphery by the MEST universe. He knows he is the only
effect-point there is. This is where the computation "only
one" comes from. But after he's sorted this out and you've
coaxed him along for a little while he will be able to
locate some other effect-points, certainly; he'll be able
to spot them. And when he first goes into this he will get
those as overt acts.

You know, any time he made anything into an effect, why, it
was an overt act. The first thing he'll come in and tell
you about - "Well, hmm-hmm. There's one safe down on the
floor. There's an effect-point safe on the floor right in
front of me." Of course, that's where he knocked everybody
when he knocks them down. "That's safe," and he'll think
about a little rabbit he shot once when he was a small boy.
Or she'll think of a kitten she strangled and - "Yeah that's
safe."

Well, get this: they spot them in engram form. The first
spot is engram form. Now, let's find out where that is
geographically in the physical universe. Where is that in
the physical universe?

This is silly, you see. He points down at the floor. He's
in your auditing room. He has never knocked anybody on to
the floor in your auditing room - not unless you and he have
had an altercation or something - and he'll point that as a
safe effect-point. Well, that is not the point at all, and
the universe where everything agrees and is, coincides
with, is the physical universe.

No, these effect-points are scattered out all across the
face of Earth, and furthermore they're scattered all
through space, and furthermore, they're on a lot of other
planets. And yet he points down to the floor. Well, he's
pointing to the engram position.

So let's get very, very sharp, here, and let's make a
classification for Universe Processing of the engram
position and the MEST position. And let's differentiate
between these two positions, because unless you can get
your preclear to spot the MEST position the thing doesn't blow.

He can go along for a long time spotting what we call
engram positions. In other words, all he's doing is
pointing to the disassociated, rather messed up mass of
energy in his immediate vicinity just like somebody would
say, "Well, I'm going to New Mexico" - while he has a map in
front of him you see - he'd say, "I'm going to New Mexico,"
and say, "Well now, I've gone there" simply by pointing to
New Mexico on the map. He didn't go anyplace; he was just
sitting there. Well, he points, he says "I'm now going to
New Mexico," and he puts his finger on New Mexico and he
says, "I'm now there."

Oh no, the fellow who says an effect-point down there on
the floor - he, of course, has just pointed to this energy
map that he's all mixed up with. He hasn't pointed to the
effect spot at all. He's pointed to the engram position.

So let's watch preclears. You can let them get away with
this a lot. You don't have to be very critical about it.
But as your preclear begins to point around you just make
sure that it's way over there, not right there. He will
find them inevitably, first - if he's having a rough time he
will find them first in the engram position. He'll just
find a picture - a map - and then he will be able to find
them out. So don't interrupt his spotting these engram
positions, don't interfere with him too much, but just
understand what he's doing. You're trying to get him out
there to spot the physical universe and he's liable to
hang up and go on just spotting the engram position. So all
you're called upon to do is just to coax him out into MEST
universe positions.

You follow me closely now. There's nothing wrong with his
spotting engram positions. He'll spot them for a long time
whether you like it or not. He'll spot them until he's out
there miles from himself. And then all of a sudden he will
start spotting MEST universe positions. He would do this
automatically but the only reason we have to be careful of
this point at all is just this point: he can go on forever
spotting engram positions and sometimes does not begin to
spot physical universe positions.

Now, the only caution an auditor has to take, then, is that
this evolution of spotting positions sooner or later goes
out there into the MEST universe. Don't let him hang up
forever just spotting positions inside of one of these
electric fields, because he can hang up doing that.

If you raise too much dickens with him on what's safe and
what isn't safe, he'll get into a confused state. So we
mustn't raise too much dickens with him about what
positions are safe. But let's just be sure that sooner or
later finds the preclear spotting things in the physical
universe. And let's keep this in mind, that it has been
observed consistently that unless he is aided once in a
while by the auditor, he will introvert into engram
positions. And an auditor can work at that a long time
without the case getting any better.

In other words, he can waste time with this process, then.
How can you waste time? It's by letting the individual go
on spotting engram positions just endlessly. He's going to
spot a lot of them, that's perfectly all right, but let's
make sure that he breaks out of that into physical universe
positions.

Now, when we talk about spotting positions, we're talking
in a junior level to changing postulates, aren't we? But do
you know that there is a junior level to spotting
positions? I mean, there's a little bit lower level down
here. And that's the guy who can't spot spots.

Now, you watch this fellow, because he will be, in the
final essence, the only unresolved case you'll have. He
can't spot positions in space, whether engram position or
MEST positions. He doesn't spot positions in space.
Therefore, you could go on running 8-C, you could go on
running an awful lot of processing, without doing anything
for this case. Why? He is inverted on the subject of space.
Any effort on his part to spot space... I talked earlier
about the fellow who tries to spot a spot in space and his
attention goes over onto matter. Well, that's bad enough
but there's a worse condition, and that is that anytime you
ask an individual to spot space his attention goes on to a
thinking machine.

TBD

Now, get this as just the Know to Sex Scale: Know, Look,
Emote, Effort, Think, Symbols, Eating, Sex - it's just a
condensation of that. We ask him to spot a position in
space and his attention goes on one object. You can ask
somebody that'll do this - you can just ask him to look at a
space alongside of an object and the space is gone. His
attention just glongs! It's almost clang! onto the object.

Well let's take a look at this down in the thinkingness
band. And we say, 'All right, spot a position in space,"
and clang! his attention will go on to a thinking machine,
just like that, clang! So what'll he do? You say, "Give me
a position in space," and his next reaction will be to give
you a condition. That's the manifestation. You say, "All
right, now give me some places where your mother would be
safe."

"Well, my mother would be safe so long as she were well guarded."

What's this fellow doing? He started to look at a spot in
space, his attention came off the space, clong! on to a
thinking machine and he gave you a condition. Now, this is
the case that avoids, and this is avoidance. When you ask
him to spot spots in space he starts thinking.

Now, theoretically, a fellow could be in such a bestial
level that this manifestation would take place: You ask
him to spot a spot in space and he gets hungry. See? You
understand that asking him to spot a location in space and
his attention going on to matter is the effort band. Matter
is just condensed effort. You ask him to spot a spot in
space and his attention just goes over there, boom!

Well, above that, of course, we would spot a spot in space
and his attention would go into an emotion, theoretically.
But that person can spot a spot in space if that's all the
further south he is, so he will do this and he will ignore
the emotion. What we're into, when we say "Spot a spot in
space" and his attention goes over onto matter, is the
effort band of Know to Sex Scale.

Now, remember that he can try to spot a spot in space and
give you a condition. That's the thinkingness band. Now, he
could, below that, spot a spot in space and go into a
symbol of some sort. Or "Spot a spot in space," you'd say,
and he would get hungry. And "Spot a spot in space," and he
would immediately think of sex. He'd get a sexual reaction.

This is all theoretical except this point - there are two
points here that are not theoretical. I say the fact that
that scale would work out, that's theoretical. You
theoretically would find people who would spot a spot in
space and they're into sex instantly, see? Theoretically,
you'd have these various levels. But the two that we know
of from a standpoint of practical auditing, and we know
very well are, first, the one who looks at a spot in space
and his attention goes onto matter - now, he's in the effort
band - and the next fellow is where you spot a spot in
space and he gives you a condition. In other words, you
start up a thinking machine.

What do you do for this last fellow? Well, you're not going
to do a thing for this fellow. I don't care what you do for
this fellow. If you stood on your head or put on a show or
anything of the sort - it wouldn't matter what you did for
this fellow - he's going to continue this too long for you
to solve it accidentally.

I mean, you just ask him for spots in space and his
attention goes on to a thinking machine. You ask him for
spots in space and his attention goes on to a thinking
machine. It won't wear out. The reason it won't is because
it's not a self-determined action.

So you better do something about it right away. It is an
inability to spot a spot in space. And this is the fellow
who will avoid. You ask him to spot a spot in space and he
gives you conditions. A little bit below that (this is
also. .. I've noticed this) you ask him to spot a spot in
space and he will give you a symbol and begin to discuss
the rightness or wrongness of a symbol. That's an
avoidance. You give him a spot in space and he starts
thinking... gives you a condition in space.

Whenever you face this you are simply facing an inability
to spot spots in space. The answer to it is simply spotting
spots in space.

Opening Procedure on the basis of "Locate a spot in space."
And if he can't do that right off the bat then you have him
just locate masses around for a while and then have him
locate a spot in space. You'll finally get him to a point
of where he can sit calmly in his auditing chair and spot a
lot of spots in space. With any more significance to them?
Not a darn bit more significance, not a single particle
more significance. Just spot some spots in space.

Now, the fellow, you ask him to spot a spot in space, and
he apathetically says, "Well now, do you mean nahm-nahm."
He is tending down into the symbol transference. He goes
into a symbol machine. Spot a spot in space, into symbols.
This is not very chronic but you'll run into it.

The most chronic one on the case that's going to baffle you
the most - and it's not going to baffle you now I know - and
that is the spot in space and he starts giving you a bunch
of conditions. You say, "Now, spot... Now, where would your
mother be safe?"

"Well, my mother would be safe anytime that she had a
garland of flowers in her hand because this'd make her
look pretty." Mm-hmm, you've got collapsed space. You're
dealing with a problem in collapsed space.

Now, if the person is going to do this and you start to run
8-C on him, of course, 8-C - which has a lot of space
spotting in it-is not going to get to first base. Why? All
it'll do is animate a thinking machine.
Figure-figure-figure-figure-figure.

Now, really down there at Step VI in SOP 8-C, ideas,
running ideas, creation and destruction, so forth, will
crack this same problem on a postulate level. So don't
despair too much. If the preclear continues to avoid, hit
Step VI, SOP 8-C. Ideas, Symbols - make him move them around.
You know? That's a very good process. All right. Now, in
the interest of your very, very difficult, arduous, nasty,
refuse-to-get-well character, we just simply say in so many
words, (1) he is incapable in spotting spots in space. If
he does spot any spots they are engram positions, and he
will have to be pushed out to a point where he gets MEST
positions. That's the first thing we can say about this
case. And the second thing we say about this case is that
space has to be solved before you can solve postulates. Now
look, that's awfully important, that last one. Space has to
be solved on this case before you can solve postulates with
him.

Now, that can escape your vigilance, mister auditor,
because of all the people under the sun who are sold on the
idea that ideas are all, this person who can't look at
space is sold. You get that now. So this case can kind of
booby-trap you.

This case is liable to talk about telepathy, he's liable to
talk about transference of ideas, he's liable to talk
about ideas, ideas, ideas, ideas, making ideas,
manifestations, anything you can think of. The truth of the
matter is he can't spot any spots in space. He's driven
compulsively and obsessively into ideas and this case will
fool you as an auditor.

Well, what's the test if you run into this case? Well, if
you run fifteen minutes of Opening Procedure and fifteen
minutes of SOP 8-C, Step I and you haven't got somebody
exteriorized, you've got a problem where space has to be
solved before ideas can be readdressed. In other words, the
guy is on an inverted space. He's talking to you about
ideas because he can't have space, not because ideas are
anything at all.

See what this case is then? Now, don't you go and make a
flock of mistakes here with these cases and let them hang
up and fool around and deliver thousands of hours of
processing on one of these cases without him getting well.

All right. Now, if you've solved the tough case... And you
have solved the tough case if you've run this type of
Universe Processing on him. Just as I said, you've run some
Opening Procedure, you made him find some locations in
space, you got him to a point where he could spot space,
you found out some universes, you've let him get out of
these universes, you've asked him where command-points
would be safe, you know, and where effect-points would be
safe. You've straightened the case up like that. That case
is solved. Don't think otherwise. That guy will go up and
respond now to 8-C right straight on through.

Now, what happens, though, to the more important case? The
more important case is the easier case, every time. Now,
what about this more important case? You do the same
processes, but you'll find out that it'll go along very
easily. You give him a little bit of Opening Procedure,
five or ten minutes of Opening Procedure, something like
that. This gets him acquainted with the situation. Then you
start in SOP 8-C, Step I. You find out this case will
exteriorize the first or second time around. And then
you've got him outside, you've got him located, his
stability is pretty good. Now you have a number of choices.
You could do an awful lot of things if you wanted to.

One of the best things to do under this situation is
immediately send him on the Grand Tour. You just send him
around to the sun and the moon and Earth and sun and moon
and Earth, and do various types of processing which flip
him in and out of things too. You put him in the center of
the Earth and outside of Earth and so on. Starting it up on
a gradient scale, putting him in the middle of a rock and
taking him out of it and into a rock and out of it and then
into the middle of Earth and out of that.

And then chase him around with a little Change of Space
Processing - any way you want to do it - and give him a lot 
of things to duplicate. Every time you think he's going to run
down a little bit, why, you just give him some things to
duplicate. You just say, "Take a look. Whatever you're
looking at now, duplicate it. Now duplicate it again. Get
another duplicate, and another one. One at a time make a
duplicate of these."

Okay, we notice the boy is trying to dope off just a little
bit, what do we do? We ask him to put up eight anchor
points of heavy matter and pull them in on himself And have
him do this until his havingness is remedied to some degree.

Then we do some more Change in Space. Change of Space
exhausts energy from the thetan. So remember to remedy
havingness when you're doing this.

Well, we chase this fellow around and we get him to a fair
degree of stability and we will find out that we are then
facing a universe problem. He is still tangled up with the
universe of his body, he's probably still tangled up with
the universe of some relative or marital partner. He's
certainly tangled up with the physical universe.

So we just solve these things just like we'd solve them on
any other case, while he's exteriorized. Let him sit down
wherever he wants to, be wherever he wants to. We just
start running this and that in terms of universes, because
they'll spring mighty fast. The first universe you spring
apart for him may take you as long as an hour. You just
pick it up and run it on through. Now, when they're
exteriorized they spring fast.

You spring him out of Mama's universe. "Give me a lot of
places where Mama would be safe. Now a lot of places where
Mama would think you were safe," if he bogs in any way.
"Now some more places where Mama would be safe." And the
next thing you know, why, Mama's universe and his universe
have gone spung! "Now, where would your body be safe?"
Spring him out of the universe of the body so he's in
command of the body, the body isn't in command of him. Just
spring him out of these universes one after the other.

You find out that if you do this at all expertly, you will
find out he is springing faster and faster out of
universes, until just the recognition of inhabitation of a
universe is enough to cause him to either stay there or
exteriorize if he's changed... he can do it at will.

Now, we do a lot of Change of Space on this boy to clean up
the track. We would get his entrance point to the MEST
universe and we would do Change of Space between there and
here. That's a process. You say, "Now, get the point where
you entered the MEST universe. All right. Be there, be'
here, be there, be here." Now, by the way, this case can
occasionally fool you. He'll pick engram spots. You say,
"Be in the place where you entered the MEST universe. Now
be here. How far did you move?"

He'll say, 'An inch." Look, it's several light-years at
least to the place where he entered the physical universe.

What's he done? He's picked his entrance spot to the
physical universe as the engram position. Well, would it
run out if you just asked him to be that? Yeah. On Change
of Space you say, "Well, be at your entrance spot of the
MEST universe." The engram will finally match up with the
actual space spot and the whole thing will blow. So you
don't have to be worried about it too much, but know that
it's taking place.

Now, after you had gone through this you certainly would
complete 8-C on this person exteriorized. And don't forget
that, because this is the only real process at all -
getting him to change his mind. You'll find every one of
these things is actually 8-C. 8-C is for exteriorized ...
an exteriorized thetan. The way we work this out, then: you
get him exteriorized, you do the rest of 8-C. There are
then some other drills which you can do.

You can get him to be in space and communicate and so
forth, but there's one that you certainly must do: Get him
to be his first piece of space. The first piece of space he
ever made and then be himself and be that first piece of
space and be himself and be the first piece of space and be
himself and be the first piece of space and be himself and
the first piece of energy and be himself and the first
piece of energy. He'll locate it and so forth back and
forth and, boy, will he feel stupid when he's being that
space and so on.

This way you turn on his knowingness and get the first time
he shut off his knowingness, and you turn that on again.
You must remember to do that step on one of these people
that is operating like that.

Now, there isn't any reason why you can't carry anybody on
up the line all the way, now that we have this type of
processing - Universe Processing and so on.

You'll find that the individual basically is aberrated
because he is obeying hidden orders. The orders come from
places he knows not what of. Well, what solves this faster
than asking him for places where order source-points would
be safe? What solves it faster? Nothing solves it faster.
Because you're asking him for the center position of the
god of the universe he's occupying, whose postulates he is
obeying. So you just keep that in mind.

Now, if this material seems disrelated to you, it only
seems so because you probably still apprehend that it's
complicated. It's not complicated. It can be told to you in
this fashion because it's relatively simple.

You look over 8-C, you look over these other little
processes, you try them out, and you'll see that I mean
what I say. They are simple, they're easy to use. But they
become very difficult to use when you exceed their own
basics, when you yourself think that there's something
desperate and strange and peculiar about this preclear.

There isn't anything peculiar about this preclear except
he's some poor devil of a thetan that's got all mixed up in
space and energy which isn't his. And he's all mixed up in
space and energy which isn't his, and all you've got to do
is disentangle him and square him around and his own native
knowingness will turn on and he'll be in good shape.

The good shape of the thetan is native to the thetan. It
isn't something you're creating. You're taking away the
factors which put him in bad shape. And those factors can
summate into cross postulates, postulates which aren't his,
spaces and energies which aren't his. And when you've
cleared up that problem you've got an Operating Thetan.


(end of lecture)
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